i understand he got a better-paying gig from geico but he came out for this one-time appearance. so this is how it will occur, whether states will have a partnership role in what exchanges and medicaid reform look like and with a fork in the road you have to make sure you take one of them system of that's where we are at the moment. let me speak to governor herbert who is a good sport about all this. he is the 17th governor of utah, been in office since 2009, just re-elected last fall. currently serves as chair of the western governors association. he's on the executive committee of the national governors association on the education and work force committee of the n.g.a. and before becoming the state's chief executive, governor gary herbert was lieutenant governor for five years. he's been in washington this week having some wonderful conversations with federal officials in the administration regarding the future of his state's health exchange or plarkt place -- marketplace, depending what you want to call it. but thing his view, the utah exchange isn't half empty, it's half ful